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The
First Stirrings
JOE MOSS: "Johnny just landed on my doorstep. I had a shop called
Crazy Face next door to X Clothes, where Johnny worked."
MIKE JOYCE: "I remember going in there (to X). It was the time of
the angora fluffy jumpers. Johnny never followed that kind of fashion.
The way he dressed spoke volumes to me, just because he was always his
own little fashion industry. That's even before speaking to him."
JOE MOSS: "He came up to me in the shop. I was in there one Saturday
morning and he came up and introduced himself as a frustrated musician."
MIKE JOYCE: "I considered Johnny very hip. I remember seeing him
in a club called Legend a couple of times and that was the hip place to
go at the time - very kind of 'alternative'."
ANDY ROURKE: "Me and Johnny were into Japan around that time. We
used to wear Johnsons suits, you know, those mad fuckin' zoot suits. He
used to make pretty regular trips down to London to Johnsons (in the King's
Road), so he used to come back with a load of fashion tips. Biker boots,
berets, the Johnsons leather jackets."
JOE MOSS: "I had a guitar at work which I was learning a bit on during
my dinner hours. Johnny started coming in, playing and teaching me a few
things. He started to talk about putting a band together. And slowly but
surely all the initial problems of putting this band together started
to dominate the conversation at dinner time. The major problem was rehearsing.
The premises I was in, on Portland Street, were quite big premises, so
I said that they could rehearse upstairs. And that was when I met Morrissey."
KEVIN CUMMINS:
"Morrissey had been around quite a lot. He always had a fairly high
profile. But the only time I'd seen him on stage was when he played with
The Nosebleeds when they supported Magazine at the Ritz (in the spring
of 1978). That was with Billy Duffy on guitar. He (Morrissey) wasn't moving
around very much, he was fairly stilted. He was just Steven Morrissey,
who people had known from seeing him out, really."
JAMES MAKER: "In 1983, Morrissey delivered himself from the clutches
of a cruel fate. Life had fashioned a spartan, crushingly monotonous,
biscuit-coloured pattern for him. His life was hugely unelaborate. He
turned to his own contemplations and he sought expression in the ideology
and ritual of his own life. He breathed for art. He relied and depended
on nobody but himself. I can tell you that at the age of 17 he was possessed
of great intellect and humour. His presence was entirely unassuming, but
he could lay people waste with laughter at a sentence, effortlessly."
MIKE JOYCE: "The first time I met Mozzer was at Spirit Studios and
he used to have, like, a very long overcoat... he was kind of, er, classically
dressed."
KEVIN CUMMINS: "No one called him Morrissey when he was playing with
Slaughter & The Dogs and hanging around with them. But he was definitely
Morrissey when The Smiths started. The band referred to him as Morrissey."
MIKE JOYCE: "It's funny actually, because I used to call him Steven
all the time. First I used to call him Steve. To him it was just a totally
abhorrent idea, 'cos, y'know, Steve, Tony, Dave - all that 'a'right, Steve,
a'right mate!' Then it went to Steven. Steven was just too gay. Then he
said, 'I'd rather be called Morrissey'. So it was like, all right, cool.
It took me a little while to get used to it. When we played in Birmingham
at the Fighting Cocks, I asked Morrissey something - I said, 'Morrissey,
er, what time is it?' And he said, 'Ten past twelve, Joyce.'"
JOE MOSS: "The first time I saw them was at The Ritz (first gig,
October 1982). It was an incredible place: polished ballroom floor, carriages
going round with velvet settees in. They were supporting Blue Rondo, and
they were absolutely incredible. I mean, there was only one place they
were going. Particularly, it was a showcase for Johnny. His guitar just
seared out over everything."
ANDY ROURKE: "We did one at Manhattan Sound..."
MIKE JOYCE: "... James Maker was on stage, dancing and throwing confetti..."
ANDY ROURKE: "... with his stilettos on."
MIKE JOYCE: "I think Morrissey wanted it to be something different.
But I mean, it worked, for that. It was very camp."
JOE MOSS: "'Hand In Glove' was done for f250, because the other side
was 'Handsome Devil,' which was live from the Hacienda, straight off the
desk. Off, by the way, what was only the third gig we'd played."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "Johnny and Andy came to see me when I was working
in the Rough Trade Distribution warehouse. I was in the kitchen just making
some coffee, doing some washing-up or something, and they collared me.
They pressed a tape into my hand and said,'Would you listen to this -
it's not just another tape.' I promised them I'd listen to it - this was
a Friday - and give them a ring on Monday. I listened to it all weekend
and absolutely loved it. It was 'Hand In Glove' and 'Handsome Devil'.
I called them on Monday and said, 'Let's make a record.' And they said,
'When?' I said, 'Well, we'll do it tomorrow.' So they all came down Tuesday.
And that's the first time I met Morrissey."
KEVIN CUMMINS: "I felt Morrissey was quite a presence. He wasn't
a particularly easy person to talk to. I think the others saw him as slightly
weird."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "It was as if his senses were very alive, and it was
a very important occasion for him. Every detail - everything that was
said - all had a lot of portent and meaning. It was all kind of critical,
but in a way that was quite touching."
KEVIN CUMMINS: "The others were always slightly in awe of him, I
think. I don't know if Johnny was. They had a different relationship."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "Johnny Marr was a little bit more Jack-the-lad, but
in a very intelligent way. He was more straightforward, but by the same
token you knew he had very deep opinions. The dynamic between Johnny and
Morrissey is pretty unfathomable unless you're either one of them, I think.
It's a bit like a married couple. It's very difficult if you're outside
to understand how they really relate to each other, when at first sight
they appear so dissimilar. But what they had in common was their love
of music. They obviously agreed on that for long enough to make those
great records."
JAMES MAKER: "When Johnny Marr and Morrissey met, they were a rare
gift and a salvation to each other."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "They didn't have a career gameplan. It was more about
music, and about their image and their persona and what famously became
known as their manifesto. I think that was already there."
The
Big Time
JOE MOSS:
"The reason it came through so fast - the real reason - is because
it was so good and so fresh. But you also had people like Scott Piering,
who was constantly working on getting airplay and TV spots and plugging
the band."
SCOTT PIERING: "I saw their sixth gig (ULU, May 1983), took John
Peels' producer John Walters to it, and he immediately gave us a session.
We had five sessions on Radio One in very rapid succession, and that's
what really helped launch the first album."
JOHN WALTERS: "All credit to Scott, who said, look, there is a huge
buzz about these people in Manchester. A band had dropped out and they
were pretty much bottom of the bill. It wasn't as if you couldn't move
around the dancefloor. You just picked your spot. And Morrissey suddenly
dashed out with the flowers, waving them about, you know. It was obviously
different and it was obviously about something. It was rather like seeing
a young artist or a young painter. And it was certainly worth the risk
of an afternoon in Maida Vale."
KEVIN CUMMINS: "They did a massive show at the Hacienda, where the
Hacienda decorated the whole place with flowers."
ANDY ROURKE: "Because the architecture of the Hacienda was so cold,
for the second Hacienda gig we played (in July 1983), we brought flowers
to warm the place up and sort of interact with the audience."
MIKE JOYCE: "Thirteen boxes of daffodils. It smelt great onstage."
ANDY ROURKE: "Slippy though. Bit hazardous. Then we progressed on
to the gladioli when the budget went up a bit. And there used to be a
eucalyptus tree."
MIKE JOYCE: "It was a massive bush. I mean, sometimes it was just
like, you know, a copse. And it had been kind of whittled down, so as
not to be dangerous."
JOE MOSS: "Apart from the fact that they were brilliant, the main
factor was John Peel completely turning on to it. It seemed as though
every time you switched to the Peel show, you were hearing a Smiths session
or 'Hand In Glove'."
JOHN WALTERS: "Peel always says I was absolutely raving about it,
but I can't quite remember that. I just thought it was a lead worth following.
A bit like Inspector Morse, you know. Pursue the lead. And then they became
a little like a flag, or a banner with a strange device, as the poet put
it."
SCOTT PIERING: "I could tell this guy (Morrissey) was a real serious
character. And the band had the best combination of music and attitude
I'd seen for a long time. We had some luck with 'Hand In Glove,' but as
soon as the second single ('This Charming Man') came out, they were all
over the place. They were really happening."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "I was really thrilled by that. I thought it was one
of the best things I'd heard, ever."
ANDY ROURKE: "We all knew we were involved in something very special."
MIKE JOYCE:
"Really special. Just because of the way I'd feel when I'd do gigs.
And the way that people would speak to me about it."
ANDY ROURKE: "Even at rehearsals when Mozz used to come in with a
new song. Afterwards we'd have to sit down for 10 minutes."
MIKE JOYCE: "We'd have the music finished and Morrissey would come
in and sing the vocals over the top. It was just so moving. It was such
an experience to actually hear your singer singing like that over a track
that you've just done."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "And what was brilliant about Johnny was the fact that,
for someone of his age, his knowledge of music was breathtaking. He knew
who John Benbourn was. He knew who Bert Jansch was. He knew who Richard
Thompson was. I always thought he was an extraordinary guitar player,
because he had that lightness of touch, which is what made him really
unique."
SCOTT PIERING: "They only trusted people they were familiar with.
It was a bit of a vibe thing. So, like, Grant Showbiz, for example, if
they liked the way he did live sound, he was the sound guy. It was always
a question of, yeah, he's our man; let's take him on. You were paid with
promises, but everybody was like, hey, it's The Smiths, let's stay on
board."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "The Smiths was them. There was no separation, there
was no let's-pretend-to-be-The-Smiths. Which a lot of bands do. There
was none of that with The Smiths. Everybody had the right rap."
JOE MOSS: "Most young bands seem to think that the world is waiting
for them, and everything around is all very stale. But at that period,
it was. It wasn't clever, was it?"
SCOTT PIERING: "There was never any doubt that they were going to
get there. There was total confidence the whole way. Privately, publicly,
in their deepest moments of despair, they knew that they were gifted and
they were going to succeed. So much of what most other artists learn,
or artificially create, or never get, they had it all at the beginning.
And that was the key to it. They had the confidence of knowing they had
all the goods, and people could just fuckin' well wait."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "Amazing, in a way, the confidence that it was really
going to happen, and the lack of machinery to make it happen. The way
it kind of staggered on. You know, once we lost Joe..."
JOE MOSS: "The reason I left was because it was obvious I was going
to be spending more time away from home. And I had a young family. I had
an 18-month-old son then, and my wife had just had a daughter in the November
(of 1983). Plus I was 40. If I'd been younger I might have viewed it differently."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "Joe was bankrolling us all. His company were going
bankrupt. And I think he just realised that from now on it was going to
be a really heavy fight with a bunch of cold, calculating Southern bastards."
SCOTT PIERING: "The world was clawing at them. Everybody wanted to
manage them - a lot of charlatans came over from the States and promised
them the world. It was a very heady time. By that time I was handling
so much of their media and spending so much time with the band that I
became sort of a caretaker. But in fact The Smiths called all the shots."
GRANT
SHOWBIZ: "We lost Joe, like, three days before we went to America
for the first time ever. That was the first time, apart from Morrissey,
that any of them had been on a plane. It was so scary to go to America
manager-less, to go and sign to the record company (Sire) and do a big
New Year's Eve gig. It was unbusiness-like to the nth degree. I turned
up at the airport expecting Joe Moss to be there. There was Geoff Travis
there, and Geoff is a lot of things but he's not a warm, loving, tender,
cuddly sort of guy, which is what Joe was. So we'd been used to feeling
alienated in Norwich, and suddenly we were, like, in fuckin' airports
with horrible people. And it's no secret that Johnny had broken up with
Angie - the only time (they are now married) - so the father figure had
gone; the lover, the cosmic twin - 'cos they're born on the same day -
had gone. We didn't realise it but Mike Joyce was just about to come down
with chicken-pox, so he was feeling really awful. The vibe was a little
like, well, all that other stuff was fun. Now we've got to grow up."
SCOTT PIERING: "International opportunities were arising already,
and all I could do was help keep them at bay. They turned down about three
Japanese tours, and you know how lavish they are. They didn't like the
idea of being away from Manchester, they didn't like the idea that they
couldn't order egg and chips instead of sushi. They really didn't like
foreign food at all. The whole thing was anathema to them. Any foreign
place at all - even Europe - they just had the utmost disdain for."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "And that was it. We never had another manager. We
had this series of people who thought they were managers. It was very
much de facto. It would change almost from day to day. It would be like
if someone spoke at the top of their voice and we all did what they said,
he was the manager, or she was the manager. For that day, or that week.
Literally."
SCOTT PIERING: "It was so exciting that nobody really cared that
it was crazy. We were all kind of holding on by the skin of our teeth.
The more they said no to people - the more they fucked people off - the
more people kept coming back for more. It was amazing. The fucking Smiths
cancelled Wogan! Morrissey got on a train back to Manchester four hours
before the live broadcast. One time we went to call him to go to the airport
and he wouldn't answer his doorbell. At a whim, we cancelled one European
tour at the airport, just when everyone was about to go through customs
for the flight out."
DAVE HARPER: "It was early in the morning. There wasn't a lot of
conversation going on. I was the only representative of officialdom there.
And we were just sitting down in departures and he (Morrissey) just turned
to me and said, 'I'm not going.' 'It'll be fun,' I said weakly. 'Go on.
Go and have a tour.' But it's the mark of a true star to blow something
out without there necessarily being any logic behind it. Anyway, I drove
them back to Johnny's flat in Earl's Court, where Scott was waiting in
a state of high anxiety."
SCOTT PIERING: "Even when you had Morrissey's full remit, you knew
it might be rescinded. I don't know how many European tours and major
television broadcasts it took months to piece together."
JAMES MAKER: "Despite the popular portrayal of Morrissey as an inhibited,
retiring character, I knew him as a young man who was capable of great
resolve and purpose. In the midst of these gentler persuasions lay an
extraordinary will. In terms of having a clear, concise agenda, implementing
it with total prejudice to compromise, and executing it, his style was
Thatcherite. He could be benignly considerate and gracious to those whom
he felt were friend or ally, yet breathtakingly inclement to those whom
he deemed disagreeable. He is the most self-actualised person I know."
SCOTT PIERING: "He's not an intellectual chess-player. He's a fencer.
And he's simply one of the best. He can dodge, defer, parry, thrust, and
keep people at bay to the point where they feel they've got something
at the end of it, but he hasn't truly revealed anything except some of
his own originality."
The
Music And The Madness
GEOFF TRAVIS: "We were looking for a producer for the first album.
Troy (Tate) had made a single called 'Love Is,' which had a really good
sound to it. He met the band; they liked him. We were trying someone new."
MIKE JOYCE: "It just sounded too... oh, indie's not the right word.
It didn't have a body."
JOHN PORTER: "It didn't sound that great, and through a mutual friend,
Geoff asked me if I'd take a listen to the tapes and see about remixing
them. Well, I listened to the tapes and said possibly it would be better
to start again. They were kind of out of tune and out of time. To tell
you the truth, I knew about The Smiths, but I don't think I'd actually
heard them."
MIKE JOYCE: "If there ever was a fifth Smith, it was John Porter."
ANDY ROURKE: "He did get on very well with Johnny, and I think he
taught Johnny a lot about layering guitars and overdubs and stuff. Taught
him different techniques and tunings and so on. John Porter was very valuable
in that respect."
JOHN PORTER: "I sort of felt that Johnny was like my younger brother
or something. I recognised that he was an exceptional guitar player and
I wanted to build that up. I mean, we used to spend hours in the studio.
Quite often we'd put the tracks down and everybody would go, and Johnny
and I would stick around all night and have it finished by the morning.
We did a lot of guitars. Some songs had 15 guitars or more."
PAUL CARRACK:
"I knew John Porter from Ladbroke Grove days - Carol Grimes and all
that lot - and he told me he was doing this band The Smiths, who had a
phenomenal following, and he gave me a tape."
JOHN PORTER: "Paul Carrack was an old friend and I'd worked with
him a lot. I always thought 'Reel Around The Fountain' would be a lovely
piano tune."
PAUL CARRACK: "I didn't know anything about them. I thought it was
a bit strange. I wondered what it was all about, to start with. I can
remember it being very vibey. Morrissey was there. He was just kind of
sitting over in the corner quietly, with his glasses on. He didn't say
an awful lot. I was doing Hammond and not sure if he was liking it or
not. And he said, 'It sounds like Reginald Dixon on acid.' Apparently,
this meant he liked it."
JOHN PORTER: "I must say I was never really happy with 'Reel Around
The Fountain'. I don't think they ever really captured it. I always wanted
to have another go at it."
DAVE HARPER: "They were shuffling back and forwards because they
were making the second album (Meat Is Murder) in Surrey, down the A23.
So I used to go and get them. The car was fantastic: it was a black Mercedes
left-hand drive diesel limo from the mid-70's, an ex-funeral cortege car,
which I thought was dead cool. A really long thing, and black, with no
hub-caps. You could open the bonnet, but you had to hold it up with a
broomstick. Things never quite worked. I was driving Morrissey alone back
to Manchester once, and just chatting - he'd be sitting in the back, because
there were three rows of seats - but I made the terrible mistake of telling
him it was a funeral cortege car and, of course, ooh, no. Wrong. Very
wrong. I think it gave him the willies."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "The Meat Is Murder thing came in and there was that
kind of vegetarian watershed. At last we started thinking about food."
MIKE JOYCE: "I haven't eaten meat since 1985, and that's purely because
of the track. If we hadn't have recorded that track, I'd be eating meat
now."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "On that first European tour, Morrissey had probably
been eating, like, a packet of biscuits a day."
DAVE HARPER: "Cake was a popular thing with Morrissey. Big man for
a cake. Cream, you know, creamy, tea-shoppy cake. We did stop at a tea
shop once. And dumbbells. Big man with the weightlifting. He had a flat
in Kensington and we helped him move. Odd flat. One of those sort of middle-aged
person's flats, furnished, quite grand, in a mansion block. Gloomy place,
with lots of books and Smiths posters and pictures of him. So we're helping
him move, you know, and he had these dumbbells - traditional, metal pole,
things at the end. I foolishly tried to pick one up, couldn't fucking
get it off the ground. And he said, 'Oh, allow me.' And picked it up in
one hand. He looked after himself. Despite the diet of cake."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "They weren't very good with food. I mean, if you
look at Johnny and Morrissey in photographs in the early days, they're
very thin. And Johnny used to throw up before every show, because he was
so nervous about things."
DAVE HARPER: "We stopped at a service station on the M6 once. There
was the bloke out of Orchestral Manoeuvres. Singer. And Morrissey got
a bit excited by this: 'Ooh, look, Andy McCluskey, what's he doing here?'
And we left the services at the same time as him. And he had a really
swish BMW coupe that was bristling with aerials - a nice rich man's motor.
It sort of said something. Money. Doing well. And Morrissey became obsessed
with following him and trying to overtake him. He was saying to me, 'Go
on, go on!' And he left the rear seat and sort of edged his way
forward until he was crouched right behind me, urging me on."
SCOTT PIERING: "Morrissey was becoming a big pop star and he didn't
even have a bodyguard. And he was being attacked by people, by fans. He
would get hit with a bottle or something, and his mum would say, 'There's
not enough security.' And she was right. The Smiths were being treated
like ordinary Joes and they were big. We actually needed to make it a
bit more like rock stars. Rough Trade would send a car and it would be,
like, an old estate. The whole operation was just downmarket. We should
have upgraded everything, really."
DAVE HARPER: "Then there was the hearing aid, of course. That was
the beauty of working with Scott. 'I want a hearing aid. Can you get me
a hearing aid?' It's not a reasonable request particularly. I got it from
a hearing aid shop in the West End somewhere; a display model. I said,
'We represent a famous pop star and he's going to be on Top Of The Pops
and would like to wear a hearing aid.' And they're going, 'Well, he's
not taking the piss out of the deaf, is he?' And I went into a long ramble
about Johnny Ray and how it was a nod to something or other. I think we
were supposed to give it back, actually."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "John Porter and Johnny pretty much did 'How Soon Is
Now?' in an all-night session in a studio. I remember really liking it.
I think it took us a few weeks to realise how good it was."
SCOTT PIERING: "'How Soon Is Now?' was the international hit that
should have happened. It would have changed everything."
JOHN PORTER: "That's where it all, sadly, started to fall apart.
We did it at Jam Studios in Finsbury Park. Everybody was a bit hungover
from the night before. I don't know what had gone on. They had 'William
(It Was Really Nothing)' basically together, so we put it down very quickly.
And Johnny played me a little chord sequence which I thought was kind
of interesting, but very pretty. And I seem to remember saying to him,
'Play what you think is "That's All Right"' - you know, the
old Arthur Crudup tune. 'Play your impression of that.' So he did. So
I said, 'Right, now play your chord sequence two octaves down from where
you've done it, and let's bolt it on to this other part.' And that sort
of happened. They did three takes. It was a Saturday. I don't think Morrissey
was there. I posted it, or somebody posted it, through Morrissey's letterbox
that night and then he came in the next day with his book and sang possibly
one or two takes. And it was done. I thought, 'Right, well, now we're
starting to move into second gear. Now we've got something that we can
sell in America. Now we've got a band that could be like R.E.M. are now.'
We were all really, really excited. In the evening I called Scott and
Scott came down. He loved it. He said, 'Yes! Fantastic!'"
SCOTT PIERING: "It was without question the most universal-sounding
Smiths record that anybody could identify with."
JOHN PORTER: "He took the tape. Went back to Rough Trade. And Geoff
was kind of... he didn't really like it. Which rather deflated me. And
subsequently they just put it out as a fucking B-side. I mean, they murdered
it."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "Obviously it came out as a single in its own right
later. Maybe you could say we made a mistake not releasing that as the
A-side (of William)."
MIKE JOYCE: "I remember Geoff Travis saying to Johnny at some point,
'Stop writing A-sides, you'll burn yourself out.' But how can you say
that to somebody like Johnny, who was in, as far as I was concerned, the
most prolific time that I've ever heard?"
JOHN PORTER: "And strangely enough, that was the last thing I did
with them for about a year. I got fired after that."
The
Trials And Tribulations
STEPHEN STREET: "The Queen Is Dead was quite a haphazard process.
It was recorded all over the place. It was a few tracks done here, then
a break, and we did some more tracks. It's turned out to be, you know,
like you see in the press, one of the best albums of all time, yet at
the time we were doing it, we didn't know we were heading off into this
huge masterpiece. It seemed to be quite relaxed."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "The pressures on Johnny were phenomenal, because he
had the burden of coming up with the music. I think he started to retreat.
I mean, he relished it, but by the same token, it started to get to him.
His lifestyle - I mean, Johnny would be up all night. And that old thing
of Morrissey going to bed early, that was true really. So the hours when
they met, they worked. And that was what kept them together. It was their
working lives that kept them together, rather than their social lives."
JOHN PORTER: "Morrissey would disappear. I think he was almost a
social recluse. I don't know what he used to do, but I suspect that he
in fact went home and used to read, you know, and watch soaps or whatever
he did. He certainly didn't hang around too much when Johnny and I were
in the studio, 'cos we were hanging out all the time and I was thrusting
all these blues records at Johnny which Morrissey hated intensely. He
probably thought I was a terrible influence."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "I only met, I think, one other friend of Morrissey's
outsdie of The Smiths, and that was James Maker. Oh, and Linder of course.
I don't think Morrissey had a big circle of friends really. He was quite
a private person, Mozz. Very few people ever got invited to Morrissey's
house."
STEPHEN STREET: "When we did Strangeways we were at the Wool Hall
(in Bath), which was a nice residential studio. Most nights were party
nights for the guys. They'd be up till four in the morning. As soon as
Morrissey went to bed, the funk would come out. Sign 'O' The Times by
Prince, put that on full blast."
SCOTT PIERING: "Even Morrissey's sexuality - I personally was with
him too often, too long, too much, to believe anything other than what
he said (ie that he was not interested). There was never one iota, one
shred of evidence to the contrary. Yeah, it's all true. No drugs. No drink.
There were a couple of occasions when he was drinking white wine, which
is about the nastiest thing I could say about his vices."
STEVE WRIGHT: "We did some pictures outside Coronation
Street (for the sleeve of The Queen Is Dead), at both ends. If you'd
picked the worst day, technically, to do outside photographs, that was
it. It was a bloody dark day. Coronation Street was a street in Salford
where people lived; it wasn't Coronation Street as in the Granada set.
It's a short street of decaying terraced houses. We did some shots outside
Salford Lads Club. I think it was actually shut
at the time. There was a bit of a fuss afterwards, because everyone started
going down there to take pictures of themselves, like Japanese tourists.
People were writing 'I luv Morrissey,' 'Mozz woz here,' sort of aerosoling
the brickwork. And the club actually had a go at Rough Trade. They felt
that the image of the club had been let down because none of them (The
Smiths) had been members of the club. I think they were probably after
a new ping-pong table or something. But it did become a problem and I
think at one stage they were talking about putting railings right round
it. Anyway, then it was, 'Fine. Can you print this one up? This is what
we want for the sleeve.' To some extent, what happened with the chosen
pictures was something that happened at the other end of the country."
CARYN GOUGH: "He (Morrissey) used to send me rough ideas of what
he wanted and ask me to neaten them up and sort them out. And find out
whether it was possible to print what he wanted. We always had great trouble
finding these typefaces he'd dug out of God knows where. He'd just send
me a scribble with notes, which was transalated by Jo Slee (The Smiths'
art co-ordinator) a lot of the time. I found them a bit repetitive, to
be quite honest. I could do them with my eyes shut in the end really."
STEVE WRIGHT: "Morrissey sent me a postcard as a thank you note.
'A sweeter set of pictures were never taken. I smiled for a full minute
(phone Roy Castle, that's a record). I quite fancy Southport's wet sands
next or the tropical shores of Belle Vue. It must be done. Fatal regret:
I should have worn my mud-coloured cardigan. Oh well, we shall meet when
Venus is under Capricorn, so keep your lenses dry and thank you. Morrissey.'"
SCOTT PIERING: "He's a habitual postcard writer. And you treasure
it for life. It's a beautiful way of communicating with people and keeping
this little circle of distant admirers going. 'Oh, he thought of me.'"
KEVIN CUMMINS: "From the first NME session he wanted a copy of the
photograph and he sent me a postcard saying: 'I must have this photograph
now'. I sent him a 10 x 8. And he asked me how big I could get it for
him. He eventually settled for a 60 x 40 print, which is five foot by
three foot something. I had to have it delivered in a van. Andy told me
he (Morrissey) put it on his bedroom wall."
STEVE WRIGHT: "Then, some time later, I got sent one afternoon to
take pictures of Strangeways, and any signs saying Strangeways
Prison, with a view to Strangeways, Here We Come. Maybe they leave
a trail of destruction, but after the pictures for Salford Lads Club,
that picture on the back of Strangeways, Here We Come - someone nicked
the sign."
STEPHEN STREET: "On Strangeways, you got the impression that Johnny
didn't know what Morrissey had prepared for it. We were putting the backing
tracks down totally blind, just making sure the key was OK with him."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "I still think Strangeways, Here We Come is the best
record. I get really pissed off with this critical cliche, like, they've
swept Strangeways under the carpet."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "Jo Slee and I went down to the studio and we listened
to the playback and had a big meal with The Smiths afterwards. And I had
a feeling then that that was the last time I was going to be in that situation.
It felt like that was the end of something. It wasn't obvious - it was
a very friendly meal - but it seemed like that was the end, somehow, without
anyone saying anything."
SCOTT PIERING: "I just love the idea that they never released anything
except on Rough Trade records. I don't know how many times they had me
looking for other deals behind their backs. We had Virgin like this, and
when they were about to go in, The Smiths said, 'Fuck Virgin'. They didn't
like the guy who came over. Met him once, you know. Didn't even get past
the formalities."
DAVID MUNNS: "I saw an article in the NME some time in 1986 which
said that The Smiths were not having a good time with Rough Trade, so
I rang up Alexis Grower (the band's lawyer) and said, 'If there's a problem
and you want to talk to another company, and you're free, come talk to
me.' This went on for about a year. I rang him every week or 10 days.
Suddenly he took the call one day and said, 'OK, maybe we'll talk.'"
The
Final Curtain
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "There was a lot of tension. We spent two weeks here
(Streatham) doing B-sides for 'Girlfriend In A Coma' and that was horrific.
I was actually frightened of Morrissey. I felt physically threatened by
him."
FRED HOOD:
"I reckon I was one of the first people Johnny ever told - other
than Angie - that he wanted to leave The Smiths. And it was a very weird
moment, because my reaction was very important. It was very important
to him that my reaction was positive."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "If Morrissey had said to Johnny, 'Look, why don't
you just go away on holiday for six months,' then I think they'd still
be together. Look at Peter Buck and Michael Stipe. Peter Buck's done about
four million outside projects. It's possible to operate like that. Perhaps
Morrissey's all-or-nothing attitude wouldn't have allowed that, and if
that was the case that was a silly, juvenile, elementary mistake on his
part."
STEPHEN STREET: "I thought it was just an argument. I never in my
wildest dreams imagined Strangeways would be the last album. Even after
I'd written and produced Viva Hate with Morrissey, I always felt that
the following year they were going to get back together again."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "Johnny was so happy when they split up. I was speaking
to him almost every day and he was saying, 'I just woke up today and I
feel great, because I don't want to be in The Smiths anymore.'"
ANDY ROURKE: "I felt a big fucking void. It was like the rug being
pulled from under your feet. For about two years I wondered what the fuck
I was going to do. Would I join another group? Would I form another group?
I was really at a complete loss."
MIKE JOYCE: "When Johnny left, me, Andy, and Morrissey were trying
to carry on (with Ivor Perry of Easterhouse on guitar), trying to keep
together what we had. But then things started to turn a bit weird and
I just said, 'Well, look, I don't want to know anymore.'"
SCOTT PIERING: "It was like a fun spree through the traditional world
of pop, and they wanted to break as many rules as they could. They were
an incredibly subversive band. They had all sorts of themes and, as articulated
by Morrissey, were completely radical. That was the beauty of The Smiths.
It had fire, it had passion, it had that real inspirational thing of just
doing it as you went along. It was completely within the ethos of all
you had learned to believe was great about the punk and post-punk era
and everything that boded well for music."
GEOFF TRAVIS: "There's hardly anything to do with The Smiths left
in the can, which is quite unusual. The quality of everything they did
was of such a high standard that it was all releasable. I mean, Johnny
and Morrissey's sense of the importance of what they were doing was probably
greater than mine. They wanted it all documented."
STEPHEN STREET: "There's nothing left over from Strangeways,
Meat Is Murder or The Queen Is Dead. Absolutely nothing. I mean, there's
some of those horrendous B-sides that came out towards the end of their
career..."
GRANT SHOWBIZ: "Yeah, it's an Elvis Presley cover, 'A Fool Such As
I'. It would have been a third track for the 12-inch of 'Girlfriend In
A Coma'. My engineer at the time, the only thing he ever did wrong was
to wipe off the first four bars of this track. I think they've tried to
piece it back together since, but it's just not happened. It's alright.
It's pretty much a 'Latest Flame' sort of vibe."
MIKE JOYCE: "I've got some really great unreleased Smiths stuff.
Outtakes, singles that never were. When we did 'Girl Afraid,' we did a
couple of other songs that I've got on tape. But I'll never... I've just
got them on tape. I'll never blag them to some bootlegger."
ANDY ROURKE: "My wife, Maxine, often throws on a Smiths CD. She tends
to play the stuff more than I do. I still like listening to it, but it
sort of wrenches my guts a bit, so that I can't really enjoy
listening to it. I love it, but it's really not something I can relax
to. It makes me very emotional."
MIKE JOYCE: "I've got a tape of Strangeways, Here We Come in my car.
Tina, my girlfriend, was listening to it the other day. I thought it was
something else - it was just this black cassette - and I was listening
to 'Death Of A Disco Dancer' and 'A Rush And A Push' and stuff. My head
was so full of emotions about the music - because I was thinking about
how other people listen to it, and I was also thinking about that time,
and time before and the time just after, and the way that Johnny, Morrissey
and Andy would hear it. It disturbed me a little bit."


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JOE
MOSS
In 1982, Moss was the 40-year-old manager of Crazy Face, a clothes
shop in Manchester's Chapel Walks. Johnny Marr (then Maher) worked
next door at X Clothes. Moss managed The Smiths from autumn 1982 until
the end of 1983, when he returned to the clothing industry. After
a 10-year-break from the music business, he is now managing a young
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MIKE
JOYCE
In 1982, Joyce, then drumming with emigre Belfast new wavers Victim,
was the only Smith with serious gigging experience. Told a mate The
Smiths were going to be the next Psychedelic Furs. Since the break-up,
Joyce has played with Morrissey, Sinead, Julian Cope, Buzzcocks and
PiL. In process of suing Morrissey and Marr for rights to a quarter
of The Smiths' royalties. |
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JOHN WALTERS
Avuncular wit and raconteur famous for lengthy stint as John Peel's
producer and professional pal. Since retired from behind-the-glass
activities at the BBC, but regularly heard on Ned Sherrin's weekend
satire fest "Loose Ends" on Radio Four.
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GRANT
SHOWBIZ
Hyperactive ex-hippy and producer of The Fall. Became long-serving
soundman for The Smiths, also producing their last recording session.
Now produces and plays in Moodswings, shortly to release their second
album for Arista. |
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DAVE
HARPER
In 1984, was a Rough Trade press office lackey on f25 a week and a
three-zone travel pass. Graduated to job of The Smiths' chauffeur.
Now runs Substance PR, handling press for Pop Will Eat Itself and
others. |
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JOHN
PORTER
Leeds-born ex-Newcastle University buddy of Bryan Ferry's and later
temporary Roxy Music bassist. Produced The Smiths' debut album after
original Troy Tate-produced tapes were scrapped, and subsequently
many singles, including the classic "How Soon Is Now". Lives
in Los Angeles; current production schedule includes Buddy Guy, Otis
Rush and Ian McNabb. |
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PAUL
CARRACK
Keyboard player with Squeeze. Played piano and organ on three tracks
off The Smiths' self-titled debut. Earned f100, which he still finds
rather reasonable. |
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ANDY
ROURKE
Schoolfriend and bandmate of Johnny Maher's. Ex-longhair, Neil Young
fan. No indie background at all. Joined The Smiths for their second
gig. Since the split, has played with Morrissey, Sinead and (on their
next album) The Pretenders. |
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KEVIN
CUMMINS
NME's chief photographer, based in Manchester in the early '80's.
Photographed The Smiths in September 1983 for their first NME cover.
A last-minute decision was made to go with a Big Country cover instead. |
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JAMES
MAKER
Morrissey's closest friend in the early '80's. Appeared on stage as
a go-go dancer at the first two Smiths gigs. Later fronted Raymonde;
now sings in RPLA. Has never spoken about Morrissey or The Smiths
in public before. |
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GEOFF
TRAVIS
Quietly-spoken hippy founder of the hugely influential Rough Trade
label, for whom The Smiths recorded their entire body of work. Still
to be found heading up the RT empire, which continues to thrive despite
numerous near-death experiences, not least the collapse of its Distribution
company. |
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SCOTT
PIERING
The Smiths' American-born radio and TV promotions man (aka "plugger")
and later caretaker manager. Initially employed by Rough Trade, he
started his own firm, Appearing (a pun), in 1982. Clients these days
include The Orb, The Auteurs, and The K Foundation, formerly the KLF. |
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STEPHEN
STREET
Was working for Island when he got the call to engineer "Heaven
Knows I'm Miserable Now". Then engineered Meat Is Murder and
The Queen Is Dead, and co-produced Strangeways, Here We Come with
Morrissey and Marr. Now best known as Blur's favourite producer. |
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STEVE
WRIGHT
After impressing Morrissey with his live photography, the Manchester-based
Wright was hired for the famous Salford Lads Club shot for the inside
sleeve of The Queen Is Dead. Also photographed the Strangeways sign
for Strangeways, Here We Come. Now lives and works in Reading. |
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CARYN
GOUGH
Credited with "layout" on all Smiths albums. In 1984,
worked for Malcolm Garrett's company, Assorted Images. Left to set
up her own company Multi Modis, her clients including Everything
But The Girl and The Smiths. Now a single mother living in Sussex,
no longer connected with the music business.
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DAVID
MUNNS
Signed The Smiths to EMI while general manager of the Artist Development
Division. Left EMI a few months later and is now Senior Vice-President,
Pop Marketing at Polygram International. The Smiths never recorded
for EMI. |
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FRED
HOOD
Grant Showbiz's co-conspirator, drummer and friend of Marr's. Played
drums with The Smiths on The Draize Train and How Soon Is Now? at
Brixton Academy in October 1986. After the break-up, made Pretenders
album, still unreleased, with Chrissie Hynde, Johnny Marr and The
The bassist James Eller. Nowadays Grant Showbiz's partner in Moodswings. |
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